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(Posted to the Yahoo group by Cynthia, 19feb08)
Dear Javafredders.... I have received a comprehensive reply from Mas Nurkholis, about our 'subject', which is pasted below.) Mas Nurkholis is a very astute man. He also sent me 3 very good images, of his new work (quite exciting stuff) - intended for his future exhibitions which he has mentioned at the end of his explanations.
__Nurkholis on javafred.net click here
BELOW - MAS NURKHOLIS' ANSWERS TO MY QUERIES ON BEHALF OF OUR FASCINATED GROUP: About art selling, it's not only happen in Jogya Gallery as well as Arahmaiani talk to Werner. Here are some new art galleries here in Jogja. This is some reason-in my observation- about art market happen in Jogya: 1. After chinese contemporary art exhibited in Indonesia, and get bigger respons, especially from indonesia auction house, the consequencies: some Ind. artists has been influenced, and indonesian art businessman get their comparison of art works with cheaper prices. 2. Indonesian contemporary art is growing fastly with various style and genre, even some fresh artistic development, and it make competitive with chinese art. Because of cheaper price with good visualisation, Indon. auction houses interested to pick them up in auctions. 3. The businessman finally prefer to "hunt" directly to artists, than to other businessman. Cheaper and they'll get more benefit when bring the works to auction. 4. The target of businessman is young artists, poor on experiences, need popularity, much more cheap, good looking art and they can give " advice", and good cooperation. Some of them now is being very popular, well known and with very high price in auction, left the senior artists behind on price ( but businessman buy much more cheaper from the young artist), and they play game on auction. 5. Some senior artists with lower price is also kidnapped by businessman for auction, especially with popular names. And some of them were also sold in fantastic price in auction. 6. Not only happen in gallery, in artists studio too. Event when I make an Exhibition: Critisizing this sold out situation, entitled BUSER.COM in Taman Budaya, was sold out too. Crazy! BUSER.COM is my acronim of Butuh Uang Segera [Need Money Quickly - Gary]. com (auction), because I saw many repetitive exhibition in galleries(jogja, jakarta, bali and semarang) with same names of young artists whom their market is growing faster and higher in auction. ofcourse currator involved inside. WE ARE CRITISIZING THEM BUT THEY BUY....CRAZY! Now some of the artists who join in Buser.com exhib. were growing popular and sell tooooooooooooooooooooo. I HAVE BEEN MAKING NEW STARS, CYNTHIA. 7. Art Businessman is: Gallery owner, auction people( hunter), agen, collector, art dealer, owner of auction house, as team or privat. Legalisator: art currator of art writer! This is my observation of recent situation. Some of my works is also appear and sold in auction with good price, but it bought by someone before, and they try to sell them in auction. It is very different with art businessman who make a "deal and cooperation" with young artists for benefit and popularity. I knew it because some of them came to my house and talk about deal and cooperation: now depend on me following their way or be a poor artist........ Really, for this situation I confuse to decide and choose...................... Cynthia, this is my plan for solo exhibition on next May or June in Jakarta, in a new art gallery, Elegance Art Space. I hope I can show my best art works and build my own price, not "fake" price in auction, benefit for art businessman not the artist. And other planning of Exhibition in Jogya Gallery too with ASEAN artists, the link of my Artist Community, Seringgit, in next August 2008. Hope I have my power and energy.................... _______________________________________________________________ Astri Wright <astri@finearts.uvic.ca> wrote: RE: Re Werner's discussion topic - Who bought all the paintings in Yog 1 minute ago I wonder if the issue is that we don't have the 'data' to discuss this topic yet, beyond guessing what some of the answers might be, which a couple people have ventured on the yahoo groups email thread already. What we need is some hard core statement from someone who knows! I am not in Yogya often enough to know. Who knows something here? Sherlock? Watson? Judge Dee? (What's the Indonesian equivalent? a traditional or modern detective hero?) Well, let's see if this statement works (note: it is hypothetical) : "The Yogya art galleries are empty because a new generation of wealthy professionals have developed a habit of swooping down on the city known as the cultural centre of Java and picking up everything they can lay their hands on, because art auctions have become such a big business over the last decade and profits can clearly be made by hanging on to art for a few years and then selling it." Any nibbles, bites or leaps? The problem with that, to me, is: why wouldn't these buyers go directly to the artists, which would make them more money in the long run, and thus leave work on the walls in the galleries for tourists and less informed or economically driven collectors?
Dear Javafredders.... I have received a comprehensive reply from Mas Nurkholis, about our 'subject', which is pasted below.) Mas Nurkholis is a very astute man. He also sent me 3 very good images, of his new work (quite exciting stuff) - intended for his future exhibitions which he has mentioned at the end of his explanations.
__Nurkholis on javafred.net click here
BELOW - MAS NURKHOLIS' ANSWERS TO MY QUERIES ON BEHALF OF OUR FASCINATED GROUP: About art selling, it's not only happen in Jogya Gallery as well as Arahmaiani talk to Werner. Here are some new art galleries here in Jogja. This is some reason-in my observation- about art market happen in Jogya: 1. After chinese contemporary art exhibited in Indonesia, and get bigger respons, especially from indonesia auction house, the consequencies: some Ind. artists has been influenced, and indonesian art businessman get their comparison of art works with cheaper prices. 2. Indonesian contemporary art is growing fastly with various style and genre, even some fresh artistic development, and it make competitive with chinese art. Because of cheaper price with good visualisation, Indon. auction houses interested to pick them up in auctions. 3. The businessman finally prefer to "hunt" directly to artists, than to other businessman. Cheaper and they'll get more benefit when bring the works to auction. 4. The target of businessman is young artists, poor on experiences, need popularity, much more cheap, good looking art and they can give " advice", and good cooperation. Some of them now is being very popular, well known and with very high price in auction, left the senior artists behind on price ( but businessman buy much more cheaper from the young artist), and they play game on auction. 5. Some senior artists with lower price is also kidnapped by businessman for auction, especially with popular names. And some of them were also sold in fantastic price in auction. 6. Not only happen in gallery, in artists studio too. Event when I make an Exhibition: Critisizing this sold out situation, entitled BUSER.COM in Taman Budaya, was sold out too. Crazy! BUSER.COM is my acronim of Butuh Uang Segera [Need Money Quickly - Gary]. com (auction), because I saw many repetitive exhibition in galleries(jogja, jakarta, bali and semarang) with same names of young artists whom their market is growing faster and higher in auction. ofcourse currator involved inside. WE ARE CRITISIZING THEM BUT THEY BUY....CRAZY! Now some of the artists who join in Buser.com exhib. were growing popular and sell tooooooooooooooooooooo. I HAVE BEEN MAKING NEW STARS, CYNTHIA. 7. Art Businessman is: Gallery owner, auction people( hunter), agen, collector, art dealer, owner of auction house, as team or privat. Legalisator: art currator of art writer! This is my observation of recent situation. Some of my works is also appear and sold in auction with good price, but it bought by someone before, and they try to sell them in auction. It is very different with art businessman who make a "deal and cooperation" with young artists for benefit and popularity. I knew it because some of them came to my house and talk about deal and cooperation: now depend on me following their way or be a poor artist........ Really, for this situation I confuse to decide and choose...................... Cynthia, this is my plan for solo exhibition on next May or June in Jakarta, in a new art gallery, Elegance Art Space. I hope I can show my best art works and build my own price, not "fake" price in auction, benefit for art businessman not the artist. And other planning of Exhibition in Jogya Gallery too with ASEAN artists, the link of my Artist Community, Seringgit, in next August 2008. Hope I have my power and energy.................... _______________________________________________________________ Astri Wright <astri@finearts.uvic.ca> wrote: RE: Re Werner's discussion topic - Who bought all the paintings in Yog 1 minute ago I wonder if the issue is that we don't have the 'data' to discuss this topic yet, beyond guessing what some of the answers might be, which a couple people have ventured on the yahoo groups email thread already. What we need is some hard core statement from someone who knows! I am not in Yogya often enough to know. Who knows something here? Sherlock? Watson? Judge Dee? (What's the Indonesian equivalent? a traditional or modern detective hero?) Well, let's see if this statement works (note: it is hypothetical) : "The Yogya art galleries are empty because a new generation of wealthy professionals have developed a habit of swooping down on the city known as the cultural centre of Java and picking up everything they can lay their hands on, because art auctions have become such a big business over the last decade and profits can clearly be made by hanging on to art for a few years and then selling it." Any nibbles, bites or leaps? The problem with that, to me, is: why wouldn't these buyers go directly to the artists, which would make them more money in the long run, and thus leave work on the walls in the galleries for tourists and less informed or economically driven collectors?
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