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Jennifer.WD
Air kaki seniman
Feb 25 2008, 3:19 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 25 2008, 3:19 PM EST
Given the current "boom seni-lukis", I would really like to know if the artists have had brilliant success in selling not just the poster, but also the big bottles of water from washing their feet?!
What did buyers do with this treasure?
And do they think that prices are inflated?

Jennifer
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astri
astri
1. RE: Air kaki seniman
Feb 25 2008, 4:15 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 25 2008, 4:15 PM EST
Hahahahahah! Good questions, Jennifer. You DO make a FINE art researcher.

And - since the written word alone is so very inexpressive - may I suggest that we all use smiley faces -- silly as they are -- or some kind of 'marker' that signals that we are doing something along the continuum between, being ironic, sardonic, humorous, silly (perhaps we could agree on a javafred marker -- a silly banana?)
Meanwhile, in the absence of such marker, Gary had to query Tubagus about the tone of his written statement, and I may have totally misunderstood Jennifer here, in tagging the above as great humour!
:)
:D
Let's not lose our smiles; thank you Tisna for this great moment (and to Gary for posting the pictures, I look forward to the rest of your report! Great to see you moving into an even more active researcher role! How about a javafred idea: a book written collectively by us all? If we can find a month to gather in the same kos or actual warung, in the same city, same neighborhood, Indonesia. I vote for Semarang!).
Astri
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Jennifer.WD
2. RE: Air kaki seniman-Astri's reply
Feb 27 2008, 12:36 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 27 2008, 12:36 AM EST
You guessed it Astri - it was humour.
I think the work is great and I can see a great future for a wacky massive arts sponsorship event developed from this one.
perhaps its one for Marusya and Tiarma?
Congratulations to Tisna and friend!

Jenni (artist friendly nickname, as per Chintya
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javafred
javafred
3. RE: Air kaki seniman-Astri's reply
Feb 27 2008, 6:40 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 27 2008, 6:40 AM EST
Ok, you guys. You're having this wacky discussion over here and I hardly knew it :) (and other smilies). Jeez, I've got to figure out a way to cause confluence between over there and over here. Hmmmm....
Yes, let's write a book in Semarang! Great good idea.
As for the washing feet thing, do either of you know the origins of that? Of course you do! I have a gut feeling about what it means, but is there something specifically Indonesian and/or "arty" about it?
Cheers, Gary
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astri
astri
4. RE: Air kaki seniman--the washing of feet
Feb 27 2008, 12:26 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 27 2008, 12:26 PM EST
I'm glad you asked that question Gary. I was puzzling over that too. And the obvious source is Tisna, for the "artist's intent" category - and us all, for the "audience feedback", and any of us, for the "critical interpration".

I have no idea where this idea may have originated specifically in Tisna's mind, in Java or Indonesia, historically or in the news or as a pun in Javanese / Sundanese, only associate to two outside influences that did arrive in Indonesia at different times, both of them being signs of respect - even of worship:

(1) the cultural habit of washing the feet in the near east, among Jews and I believe also among muslims (and we hear about it in terms of Jesus washing the feet of the apostles, and also having his feet washed by Mary M) - and

(2) the touching of feet of elders and - more elaborately - of gurus in India, and 'lustrating' (great word, hm?) the feet with various combinations of curds, milk, honey, sacred water, and making designs with sandalwood paste, etc., and showering the feet with flower petals.

So - Tisna! Tell us! (Or Gary, tell us if you know! And everyone, tell us what your associations are!) Are you punning on the New Testament story of Jesus? Are you mixing it with, or rather, alluding to the Indian practice of gurus (and the idea that liquids used in ritual, is then bottled, and given or sold to pilgrims? Is / Was this done in Java and Bali too?)

So are you making fun of the 'worship' of the artist in the current 'hot market everyone gets rich' climate? (hehehe, see? I did manage to tie this to "Werner's Topic" - hi Werner! Are you feeling better?) And / or - are you making fun of us art historians who think artists are sometimes 'visionaries' (in addition to being clowns, obviously, but sometimes they are clowns with social daggers in their fake flower bouquets!).
Salam Hangat dari Kanada, Astri
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Jennifer.WD
5. RE: Air kaki seniman--the washing of feet
Feb 28 2008, 10:45 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 28 2008, 10:45 PM EST
"I'm glad you asked that question Gary. I was puzzling over that too.
And the obvious source is Tisna, for the "artist's intent" category -
and us all, for the "audience feedback", and any of us, for the
"critical interpration".

I have no idea where this idea may
have originated specifically in Tisna's mind, in Java or Indonesia,
historically or in the news or as a pun in Javanese / Sundanese, only
associate to two outside influences that did arrive in Indonesia at
different times, both of them being signs of respect - even of worship:


(1) the cultural habit of washing the feet in the near east,
among Jews and I believe also among muslims (and we hear about it in
terms of Jesus washing the feet of the apostles, and also having his
feet washed by Mary M) - and

(2) the touching of feet of
elders and - more elaborately - of gurus in India, and 'lustrating'
(great word, hm?) the feet with various combinations of curds, milk,
honey, sacred water, and making designs with sandalwood paste, etc.,
and showering the feet with flower petals.

So - Tisna! Tell us!
(Or Gary, tell us if you know! And everyone, tell us what your
associations are!) Are you punning on the New Testament story of Jesus?
Are you mixing it with, or rather, alluding to the Indian practice of
gurus (and the idea that liquids used in ritual, is then bottled, and
given or sold to pilgrims? Is / Was this done in Java and Bali too?)

So
are you making fun of the 'worship' of the artist in the current 'hot
market everyone gets rich' climate? (hehehe, see? I did manage to tie
this to "Werner's Topic" - hi Werner! Are you feeling better?) And / or
- are you making fun of us art historians who think artists are
sometimes 'visionaries' (in addition to being clowns, obviously, but
sometimes they are clowns with social daggers in their fake flower
bouquets!).
Salam Hangat dari Kanada, Astri"
I'm glad this one has sparked discussion. Tisna - I enjoy your visual suggestion of multi-layered meaning so much. I have my interpretations within the main debate of the moment - Werner's topic - as indicated in my first comment, but i would like to hear from you.
Perhaps it is simply a spontaneous gesture, arrived fully formed and instantly enacted & depicted. That's what I love about Indonesian art - you do and we afficianados and scholars spend hours unpacking the cultural layers and interpretative possibilities.
I think a syncretisation of religious ritual and emblems is the start - but you know, one of the great features of street life in Indonesia are the penjualan2 and tukang2 Jamu. They claim their pavement space and set out an array of all sorts of concoctions with magical properties.
Artists are also like that.
What do you say? - or should we just buy if we fancy this particular brand of magic!
My sponsorship idea would certainly produce a great array of different water with dissolved or not solids. I'm sure some of you would come up with great strategies to make a difference. Scientists could also get involved - instant specimens for measuring the condition of artist's lives,
I kid you not! (I'm thinking here of Iwan Wijono's recent "I am a Healer" performances in Yogya and the USA.

with appreciation, salaam

Jennifer
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javafred
javafred
6. RE: Air kaki seniman--the washing of feet
Feb 29 2008, 12:58 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 29 2008, 12:58 AM EST
Just FYI, Tisna is not (yet) in this forum, that is to say not a registered user on this site :( He has been notified of the discussion here, but he may be too busy in Jakarta at the moment with exhibition preparation.
-Gary
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astri
astri
7. RE: Air kaki seniman--the washing of feet
Feb 29 2008, 2:11 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 29 2008, 2:11 AM EST
Well, I vote for Jennifer for Queen of Art World Funding - at least in Southeast Asia / Australia if not the world! And Gary as one of your research assistants - and all the water and bottles and other samples bodily and otherwise you need to set up an alternative art market for stimulating things!
And Gary - any ideas on how to link our discussions 'here' and 'there'? Good night all, good morning in your time,
Astri
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javafred
javafred
8. RE: Air kaki seniman--the washing of feet
Feb 29 2008, 8:57 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 29 2008, 8:57 AM EST
Hi Astri,
yes, I've been looking for ways to link us together. One step in that direction is an RSS feed, which informs anyone subscribe to the artinesia feed of changes to this site. You now see one manifestation of it at the top of the home page ("Recently update page"). Another way to integrate it is if you have an RSS reader. I'm going to put up some info on the Y-group about that tonight. Stay tuned :)
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Jennifer.WD
9. RE: Air kaki seniman--the washing of feet & linking
Mar 1 2008, 12:07 PM EST | Post edited: Mar 1 2008, 12:07 PM EST
"Well, I vote for Jennifer for Queen of Art World Funding - at least in Southeast Asia / Australia if not the world! And Gary as one of your research assistants - and all the water and bottles and other samples bodily and otherwise you need to set up an alternative art market for stimulating things!
And Gary - any ideas on how to link our discussions 'here' and 'there'? Good night all, good morning in your time,
Astri"
Why thank you Astri!
Despite all the years of Ph D grind, the conceptual artist and arts administrator in me does escape from time to time!
Re interpretations of Tisna's poster I was also tempted to proceed from Jamu sellers to politicians and their policies. Which water would you choose heading into an election?
Re scientific involvement: because we excrete copious amounts of sweat and substances including pollutants through the feet and sandaled feet are also exposed to everything they walk through, the suggestion of scientific involvement does seem logical. And Bandung is supposed to be one of the dirtiest Indonesian cities.....
Maybe we should expand our idea of the market, which, in different contexts, such as the research context, may mean different things.
But for Tisna right now, the most important is success at his exhibition.
I hope lots of people like his Jamu!
Gary - re linking, Through Lycos I was alerted to new postings on artinesia & javafred.net, but these do not appear through my Murdoch email. Perhaps I had an angel on my side for a while there?
I've had a look at the format for linking within the artinesia site and must say it seems very schematic. Its still best to spend time visiting one's own page, checking for replies and then visiting the active threads and discussions - and the wider list!
But it is early days yet and we are all learning together how to manage the site.

cheers, Jennifer
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